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		<title>Comment on Is P&#038;G Built to Last?  A Raging Debate on Brand Purpose&#8230; by Ryan</title>
		<link>http://m-cause.com/is-pg-built-to-last-a-raging-debate-on-brand-purpose/#comment-389</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,

Fantastic points and perspective.  Thanks!</description>
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<p>Fantastic points and perspective.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is P&#038;G Built to Last?  A Raging Debate on Brand Purpose&#8230; by Bob G</title>
		<link>http://m-cause.com/is-pg-built-to-last-a-raging-debate-on-brand-purpose/#comment-388</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've either been a P&#38;Ger or had P&#38;G as a client for the past 10 years.  Overall, I tend to agree with Matt and see a lot of truth in what Piers says.  BMs at P&#38;G (and really at every large company) tend to love overall business management rather than the craft of marketing/advertising.  They want to "get the P&#38;G MBA" versus "change the world."  A lot of this is due to the kinds of people that are recruited, the priorities that are set at W&#38;DP time, and the fact that people get antsy to move jobs every 18 months.  Another problem is the promote-from-within strategy which prevents fresh perspectives from entering.

That said, the company seems really excited about change for the first time since the dot-com years.  Millenials are coming in, and some new organizational structure changes have promise. 

I'm glad Piers started this debate, and singled out P&#38;G in particular, as it could be the push that the company needs.  P&#38;G is not always the leader in change, but it has a history of moving effectively when the writing is on the wall.  Here in this blog, three of P&#38;G's thought leaders are engaged - which suggests that more discussions will ensue in P&#38;G GO's around the world.  The more we talk about it - especially externally - the more likely that BMs will think about the issue and change their behavior.

Finally, as for the rise of niche brands like Method, I do believe these brands have a lot of potential to steal share over time - maybe turning the mass product marketing business on its head in a couple of decades.  But, as I heard in Cannes a few weeks ago, Method only recently hit the $100 million revenue mark.  That's after about ten years in market and with products across several categories.  The brand may have captured the passion of marketing people, but it still has a long way to go with the general population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve either been a P&amp;Ger or had P&amp;G as a client for the past 10 years.  Overall, I tend to agree with Matt and see a lot of truth in what Piers says.  BMs at P&amp;G (and really at every large company) tend to love overall business management rather than the craft of marketing/advertising.  They want to &#8220;get the P&amp;G MBA&#8221; versus &#8220;change the world.&#8221;  A lot of this is due to the kinds of people that are recruited, the priorities that are set at W&amp;DP time, and the fact that people get antsy to move jobs every 18 months.  Another problem is the promote-from-within strategy which prevents fresh perspectives from entering.</p>
<p>That said, the company seems really excited about change for the first time since the dot-com years.  Millenials are coming in, and some new organizational structure changes have promise. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad Piers started this debate, and singled out P&amp;G in particular, as it could be the push that the company needs.  P&amp;G is not always the leader in change, but it has a history of moving effectively when the writing is on the wall.  Here in this blog, three of P&amp;G&#8217;s thought leaders are engaged - which suggests that more discussions will ensue in P&amp;G GO&#8217;s around the world.  The more we talk about it - especially externally - the more likely that BMs will think about the issue and change their behavior.</p>
<p>Finally, as for the rise of niche brands like Method, I do believe these brands have a lot of potential to steal share over time - maybe turning the mass product marketing business on its head in a couple of decades.  But, as I heard in Cannes a few weeks ago, Method only recently hit the $100 million revenue mark.  That&#8217;s after about ten years in market and with products across several categories.  The brand may have captured the passion of marketing people, but it still has a long way to go with the general population.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Nerd (or geek) Marketers&#8230;are they getting revenge? by doohan</title>
		<link>http://m-cause.com/nerd-or-geek-marketersare-they-getting-revenge/#comment-387</link>
		<dc:creator>doohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geek marketers are alive and well and our influence is increasing in successful organizations.  That said, staying "in-touch" and "ahead" is a challenge for veteran geek marketers.  Digital marketing veterans need to evolve their skills from traditional (can there even be such a thing as traditional digital?) digital strategies and tactics to more of a precision marketing approach.  

The reason geek marketers are absolutely needed today is more because of data than because of constant change in the space.  An ability to draw simple, actionable conclusions from the mountains of data available is *very* difficult and is a way that the best digital marketers will continue to differentiate themselves today and in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geek marketers are alive and well and our influence is increasing in successful organizations.  That said, staying &#8220;in-touch&#8221; and &#8220;ahead&#8221; is a challenge for veteran geek marketers.  Digital marketing veterans need to evolve their skills from traditional (can there even be such a thing as traditional digital?) digital strategies and tactics to more of a precision marketing approach.  </p>
<p>The reason geek marketers are absolutely needed today is more because of data than because of constant change in the space.  An ability to draw simple, actionable conclusions from the mountains of data available is *very* difficult and is a way that the best digital marketers will continue to differentiate themselves today and in the future.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Nerd (or geek) Marketers&#8230;are they getting revenge? by Ike</title>
		<link>http://m-cause.com/nerd-or-geek-marketersare-they-getting-revenge/#comment-386</link>
		<dc:creator>Ike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter Shankman has been a "geek marketer" for years.  Rubel is a conduit for popularizing ideas that are already out there.  Please don't give him credit for inspiration when he is really more of an aggregator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Shankman has been a &#8220;geek marketer&#8221; for years.  Rubel is a conduit for popularizing ideas that are already out there.  Please don&#8217;t give him credit for inspiration when he is really more of an aggregator.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Nerd (or geek) Marketers&#8230;are they getting revenge? by Ryan</title>
		<link>http://m-cause.com/nerd-or-geek-marketersare-they-getting-revenge/#comment-385</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that is at least the rumor...Oklahoma is BIG into sports.  They will get behind whatever pro team lands there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that is at least the rumor&#8230;Oklahoma is BIG into sports.  They will get behind whatever pro team lands there.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Nerd (or geek) Marketers&#8230;are they getting revenge? by Fraser</title>
		<link>http://m-cause.com/nerd-or-geek-marketersare-they-getting-revenge/#comment-384</link>
		<dc:creator>Fraser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, the Seattle Supersonics are moving to Oklahoma?  That is crazy news!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, the Seattle Supersonics are moving to Oklahoma?  That is crazy news!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is P&#038;G Built to Last?  A Raging Debate on Brand Purpose&#8230; by P&#38;G wins (gasp) advertiser of the year and laughs&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://m-cause.com/is-pg-built-to-last-a-raging-debate-on-brand-purpose/#comment-378</link>
		<dc:creator>P&#38;G wins (gasp) advertiser of the year and laughs&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 11:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at PSFK recently kicked up a dust storm on the future of P&#38;G in this post, which I responded to here.  I would love to hear what Piers has to say about the recent award and the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] at PSFK recently kicked up a dust storm on the future of P&amp;G in this post, which I responded to here.  I would love to hear what Piers has to say about the recent award and the [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Facebook saves? Tapestries of Hope &#038; Micro interactions by anand</title>
		<link>http://m-cause.com/facebook-saves-tapestries-of-hope-micro-interations/#comment-377</link>
		<dc:creator>anand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ryan, indeed it was a scary period for the project. thanks for the kind words and happy to keep you in the loop on progress on the doc. as we edge towards completion. anand</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ryan, indeed it was a scary period for the project. thanks for the kind words and happy to keep you in the loop on progress on the doc. as we edge towards completion. anand</p>
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		<title>Comment on Green is dead&#8230;hello BLUE + new 3Ps of marketing? by Are you happy?</title>
		<link>http://m-cause.com/green-is-deadhello-blue-new-3ps-of-marketing/#comment-376</link>
		<dc:creator>Are you happy?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here are 4 things to keep in mind about happiness.  I took this from Saatchi &#38; Saatchi S, a new agency that I posted about previously here: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Here are 4 things to keep in mind about happiness.  I took this from Saatchi &amp; Saatchi S, a new agency that I posted about previously here: [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Spreading the (marketing) love: Marketing with Meaning by Bukola Ekundayo</title>
		<link>http://m-cause.com/spreading-the-marketing-love-marketing-with-meaning/#comment-373</link>
		<dc:creator>Bukola Ekundayo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this Ryan!! Thanks for extending the discussion to your blog.  People have more choices over the kind of media they consume due to the social media revolution. So the old models for advertising will be less effective and thank god for that. This presents us with the opportunity to transform the perceptions of our craft as we step up to the challenge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this Ryan!! Thanks for extending the discussion to your blog.  People have more choices over the kind of media they consume due to the social media revolution. So the old models for advertising will be less effective and thank god for that. This presents us with the opportunity to transform the perceptions of our craft as we step up to the challenge.</p>
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